The term "coach gun" is a generic description for a side-by-side shotgun with an 18-20 inch barrel. See on a CAS forum that others have had problems too. If this is over done it can mess up the head space and you could see the same type of problem. While it may seem foolish to some, one of my favorite aspects of the TTN is its ability to be transformed from a bulbous 'clunker', into a very handsome, shootable gun.. Shaping the stock, within the parameters of the available wood was a pleasant challenge, as was the minor action wotk I performed on it.. My brand new Stoeger Coach Supreme broke the barrel lug after the 12th shell during field testing. The combination of the ported barrels, which reduces muzzle climb, and those green fiber-optic sights, which enable easy target acquisition in all light conditions, make this is one hell of a tactical shotgun. And got it. The 20-inch barrels are the longest single chunk of the gun. Again, there are purpose-built guns that are better for specific types of game animals. The Stoeger Coach Gun is a lot of fun in a lightweight, easy-to-handle package. But the configuration of the Coach Gun just wouldnt let me revert to my old, bad shotgun habits. I typically use1200 or 1600 grit wet/dry paper on both faces of the hammer and the interior surfaces of the frame. Eventually, I got it to where the safety would not reset on opening. The ability to achieve a proper profile, down to the same profile as the wood (without touching the wood when the pad is already on the butt) takes some skill. Killed two at 40 yards and they never moved out of their tracks. and I prefer hammerless, especially for defense work. 2. It only lightly dents the primers, but will not ignite the load. Ive shot skeet with it. Take the extractor out, and ensure the large rod is not bent for starters. Reliability * * * * * Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Ji, did you just say chukar hunting on MAUI??!!! . It is a Stoeger Coach Gun painted black. Just purchased a new Stoeger side by side 12 gauge coach gun. It depends on your choice of recoil pad. Gonna get one. I proved that sandpaper, toothpaste, and elbow grease can achieve the same effect. Fun stuff. While on paper theres a lot to love about these scatterguns, there is one major consideration. My wife actually expressed an interest in my long guns, wanting to know which ones were loaded in case she needed one. Stoeger is one of the last low cost SxS makers left in the world and they make a good gun for the money. The struggles with the gun were many. But since the powerful shotguns dont have any rubber buttpads, I went with the easier to use single-triggered 20 gauge Coach. He did send me a new spring. The gun was notably stiff to open out of the box, but wore in after a couple hundred rounds. Tactical shooters love the EOTech because of its super compact build, wide field of view, and because its trusted by many militaries around the globe For $500, youre getting one of the best sights in the world. Thought my daughter could use it for home protection a bit quicker, shes fifteen and Im a single dad. Sent back to Stoeger. MUCH prefer a hammergun for this purpose since you can have ammo chambered with the hammer down on halfcock (no kids in the house of course). All of these coach guns are ideal for Cowboy Action shooting and home defense. I have a shotgun that only puts a small indentation, dent, in the shells in the right cylinder. The gun, which was way less than half the price of either of the other two, looked great, worked easily, was well balanced and well finished, opened easily, and in all respectsbut onelooked like the ideal tool for the active . The Stoeger Coach Guns I've fired (12 and 20 gauge) have worked well after break in. And it can be yours for under $600, which is less than half the price of high-end, semi-auto duck guns. They are not cheap locally, so I bought a shotshell reloader and started loading my own light loads. What should I do if there is a problem with the function of my Stoeger Industries firearm? Coach guns are used by a lot of beginning cowboy action shooters and some of the better shooters use them at my local competitions. I asked around, and broken barrel lugs are a very common problem, along with split stocks. Posted: 6/8/2013 7:18:57 AM EST [#5] I personally think it will be the ruler of the Classic Cowboy catagory shotguns. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Cimarron gun is the old TTN, just a new importer. Stoeger Shotguns Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme 12 Gauge Shotgun $ 499. Using Remington Gun Club 1-1/8oz loads, about 6 out of 8 ro. I just cut the stock, use the cut off piece as a template , rough it down on the disc sander, finish it off by hand, and Im pretty close every time. Cowboy Action Shooting. Thats way the duel trigger are better, they require less tuning and are easy for the local gunsmith to adjust or repair. I had trouble with it firing both barrels simultaneously..sometimes. Price point is about $80-$100 less, so one can be had easily for $350-$400 bucks. If you are interested in an exposed hammer gun, then the Pioneer Arms is the very best I have found. Although I really liked how the Maverick performed, I dont know if Id choose it over the Stoeger, especially since its almost $100 more. Trigger: Double Maurader has a website that addresses both the problem of Stoeger Coach Gun misfires as well as the problem of popping open. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. My initial thought was to go cheap a Norinco w/ external hammers & sling for ~ $250 . He has made good use of it in his War Of The Birds. He informed me that the Coach Guns right barrel is an improved cylinder choke, with the left a modified choke. Available in different gauges such as .410 bore, 12-gauge, or 20-gauge, this shotgun can be in matte nickel, polished nickel-plated, or blue finish. The Stoeger Cougar is a Beretta 8000 series. Our price: $629.00. steel receiver. Breaking the lug is an all too frequent problem with Stoegers. Although experienced shotgun owners could probably adapt to a double trigger in a matter of hours, they do produce 12 and 20 gauge single-trigger variants. All of these coach guns are ideal for Cowboy Action shooting and home defense. Like the Double Defense, the HS12 is super lightweight, user-friendly, and very powerful. Thank you. And now you have learned the difference between a quality gun and a gun slapped together by parts coming off a CNC machine. The inner workings are less than primitive. I have one of the Pedersoli La Bohemienne shotguns a beautiful gun.Pedersoli sells the Wyatt Earp short barrel coach gun version which is basically the same gun. The matte nickel action and barrels contrast nicely with the dark and figured walnut. Seems very solid. The handsome and affordable single- and double-trigger scatterguns pack a potent punch. Gun tinkering is probably a more adept description for my activities. Drew, Easy IF YOU know how, BUT TUFF OTHER WISE They weren't short barreled coach guns both were 28" barreled bird guns which were a tad heavy but built like a T-34 tank. I gotta get one of these!. FYI, instead of step 2 you can buy an aftermarket lightened spring on Brownells and swap it it in without having to cut the factory one. The top latch lever even works under the cocked hammer to allow it to open the action. I got away from reloading shotgun shells because of problems with them feeding after 3 reloads through my automatics and factory new WERE cheap @ Bass Pro / Cabelas . But I will offer a few review-type comments about this shotgun. Besides for ditching the A-grade satin walnut finish for black matte, Stoeger gave outfitted their new Double Defense with 20 ported barrels, single triggers, fixed IC, To take advantage of the top rail, youll most likely want to attach some type of reflex or holographic sight. Youre right, the finish on the stock is almost a thing of beauty, and those nickel barrels/action contrast quite nicely with the dark walnut. What scope base will fit my Stoeger shotgun? Barrels are well regulated. You can View a Copy of the Owners Manual here > http://youtu.be/X2UwWJ3x6ew I was fearful of barrel misalignment when I got a Baikal coach gun but the darned thing hits on the bead with both barrels and when we got another one for my wife, we found its the same. With a few more matches, the gun loosened up even more, just as others had promised it would. #Stoeger Fan Photo: Jason B. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. When I backed up to 40 yards, the left barrel remained in the middle, with the right barrel putting slugs about 10 inches to the high right. Yeah, I wouldnt dream of trying to finish it off already mounted on a nicely finished piece of wood. Ponder what weve lost in the gun market afterwards. Like the Double Defense, the HS12 is super lightweight, user-friendly, and very powerful. Double-barreled shotguns are back in style again, and I couldnt be happier. The right barrel threw a wider pattern than the left. The Stoeger Coach Gun passed one of the most stringent tests I apply to guns: the giggle test. This model is equipped with standard extractors (not ejectors) which push shells out of the chamber by about 1/4 when fully open. Bringing You Honest, Reliable, and Engaging Firearm News and Reviews. If yer gonna make a wall hanger out of it.. Today I was working on a 410 ga and I just sanded and scotch bright the large and small rods of the extractor. When it comes to tactical flashlights, its hard to beat Streamlight; this renowned company has two exceptional devices that are perfect for Stoegers Double Defense. by Rusty Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:43 pm, Post This cocks the hammers as you are opening the shotgun. Contact them either via email or private message. Owner's Manual. Ill be pressing the grinding stone back on my chamber mouths some more in the near future until a part of the lip is gone on each chamber. There are over 100 parts in an 1897 and something is always breaking. With the buckshot at 25 yards, both barrels put plenty of good hits in a good place on the target. Regards, Did you have the lever spring lightened for easier operation when opening? "Standing proud with my Coach gun." Powered by Invision Community. Double-barreled shotguns have been used as home defense weapons for well over a century, especially side by sides like the Coach Gun. Looks classy and cowboy, sort of like if Sean Connery had been the lead character in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly instead Clint Eastwood. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Now look at the Stoeger. Ever notice the two little hinged things sticking out of the forward end of the receiver that sort of just flop around after the barrels are removed. I bought a Stoeger Uplander after shooting a cousins Coach Gun at the farm. That being said, I did find one product which gives Stoeger a run for their money: Mossbergs Maverick HS12 Thunder Ranch Over/Under shotgun. I have rid my garden of groundhogs with #5 turkey loads. Im ready for the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was in a LGS the other day and I looked at coach gun-wish like all I get out I could remember the brand. The fit & finish on Stoeger SxSs isnt nice theyre rougher than a cob. Plus, keep in mind that the safety is automatically engaged upon opening the Coachs action. I'll pay what I have to but I don't need a hand built engraved master piece either. Basically, the bolt that screws the stock into the trigger housing, or "tail" as it is referred to in the owner's manual, keeps loosening after about 16 shells through the barrels. Problems with my Stoeger 12ga Coach Gun Supreme June 2012 after 2 visits back to the manufacturer Battle of the Coach Guns - TheFirearmGuy TheFireArmGuy 67K views 1 year ago Stoeger. The contemporary (not 19th century original antiques with Damascus or twist barrels) Broken down, it will fit in a backpack. Once this is understood, the rest is simple for our predicament. and was consistently seeing that if you want to shoot an 1897, you need to get a gunsmith to slick it up. The falling P/E ratio is the result of future earnings increasing relative to the current price and suggests bullishness in the company by analysts. 03708431400. The same held true for the Remington Slugs, which kicked quite a bit harder than the Federal Reduced Recoil slugs, but nowhere near the beating dished out by the Express Magnum buckshot. Even better: the gun felt lively to my shoulder. The easiest way to address this problem is by simply giving it a quick CLP treatment and that should do the trick. It was from China I think and it felt like the biggest piece of junk shotgun ever made in the history of the world. Right barrel IC choke. The new value of a STOEGER COACH GUN shotgun has risen $15.15 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $534.39 . I own the Stoeger Coach Gun from HE@#. (My shoulders don`t like to pump my 97 without pain.). They also tell you to insure the gun. To take advantage of the top rail, youll most likely want to attach some type of reflex or holographic sight. Weight (unloaded):6.5 pounds Stoeger sends a prepaid shipping label for warranty returns. It would be a bad place to find yourself at the other end of those two barrels.Love My Coachman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was very tight. It has chokes that just obliterate clays for me, even at extended distances. Light and handy; easy to swing on clay birds or move around corners. And thats when it happened. There are cheaper guns. Stoeger is a Beretta company. Let us know what you think in the comments section! Because the Coach isnt the most ideal hunting shotgun, Stoeger provides 12 and 20 gauge owners with only fixed M and IC choke tubes, with flush and extended options available as aftermarket purchases. TNN has addressed several issues with this gun. Not anymore . I want both barrel boom, me pull both triggers, . I wasted no time taking the Silverado into the great Arkansas outdoors for a work-out. Price: $479. At 25 yards, the Federal Slugs from the left barrel hit in the middle. (Same gun but 26" barrel) He won the Coach gun in an opening weekend raffle at the town bar. All you have to do is push these hinged parts rearward to cock the hammers. by Mescalero Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:07 am, Post Now, Ive only dome maybe 5 and all for me. I bought new Stoeger single trigger 12 ga. last summer when I started CAS. The barrels are standard blued as well. And yes, I do mean guns that I own. Put pin and trigger block in a safe place in case you want to reinstall it for resale or repairs. I started by polishing with fine grit wet/dry sandpaper to get the finish off of the parts. With the correct ammo, I could also use the coach gun to hunt everything that walks or flies in the state of Arkansas. For suggestions, collaborations, or requests, contact [emailprotected], We keep our coach gun loaded with 00for two shells we dont have to take a backseat to anyoneand to this day no one fears any firearm more than looking at the business end of a double barrelsimple and reliable, quietly brought to readynone of that racking noise bullsh!tanyone at the bedroom door wont get further, Your email address will not be published. M. M. Wright, Sheriff, Green county Arkansas (1860). And yes, it does kill pigeons like nobodys business! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. A good value that has a lot more going for it than you might think by just looking at it. I had stoeger condor supreme 12ga, was in repair dozen times for top barrel firepin spring and bottom firepin replacement. Like cars, anyone can restore a gun. by M. M. Wright Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:42 am, Post With the coach gun, all I have to do is choose which of the two triggers is connected to the correctly charged barrel. by Mescalero Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:08 am, Post What make of shotgun shells are you using? It was awesome! by JerryB Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:09 pm, Post Great article! If ever in doubt about how to remove material, drop by your local cutting tool products company that supports local manufacturing. I sent it to Vaquero Hayes on this forum and I still have a shotgun that drives me nuts. More specifically, coach guns were ubiquitous in the Wild West, especially for defending stagecoaches, which is why sitting in the passenger seat became known as riding shotgun. Benellis signature Inertia Driven Bolt System, TLR-4 Tac Light with a built-in laser light, Mossberg Maverick 88 Review: Big Shotun, Big Value. I love rifles. ATTENTION: Please be aware of online merchants impersonating as direct Stoeger retailers. Two different chokes is a standard setup for twin-barreled shotguns. Flawless. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. Clean the firing pin and screw well and oil lightly. Stock: English-style American walnut 1. A lot of people think the Coach Gun is a niche firearm, but in truth, its actually a quite versatile shotgun. As the spring is shortened, the impeller and spring become a lot easier to take out and put back in. You can see in the photo below that the surfaces are still not smooth, but they are smooth enough to meet my needs. Cure = Get a new lighter spring but the correct lenght from longhunter. Polishing mating surfaces Everyone had told me that the shotgun would loosen up over time with use and become easier to break open. Trap, on the other hand, seems to work out well for the Fox. They basically said I was not holding it properly. Finish: Matte Matte nickel My longtime friend still has one. This destroyed the gun meaning it had to be replaced under warranty. Same problem appears constantly. Ironically, the best thing to ever happen to Stoeger is also the reason why they will never be a household name. Would like a refund. I have a Stoeger Coach gun but not a Supreme. Were moving out to the sticks , so Im claiming that I want this for my wife which is kinda true . traditional satin-finished walnut stocks. also is there a manual for this gun? Firing slugs, I was able to get hits plenty accurate enough for deer hunting with both barrels at 25 yards, and back at 40 yards, I could easily compensate and get that right barrel to hit a target the size of a deers vitals. Overall, it is 36.5 inches long. I had one like that on a 12 ga a few years ago. The Supreme's . Heck, go somewhere in the west where you might be able to sweet-talk a collector into showing you some genuine Wells Fargo coach guns by Parker Bros. Look at the workmanship from over 100 years ago. With bird shot, there was a good deal of overlap with the pellet clouds. Now with my trusty 870 pump, with its very rifle-like stock and sights, Im lucky if I complete one double out of three or four. Its going to be my pack gun/ go every where gun. If you talk to enough people who own guns you will hear horror stories about every brand. The handsome and affordable single- and double-trigger scatterguns pack a potent punch. The other thing worth noting is that Im shooting cowboy loads in this shotgun. Its a fun little no frills gun that really packs a bang behind it. I thought Id find the Coach Gun boring and vanilla. Too, But I would certainly not be unarmed if all I had was a Stoeger Coach Gun and six spare shells. It is a simple gun. In fact, Wyatt Earp was known to favor coach guns and Doc Holliday reportedly used a 10 gauge model at the OK Corral. Research into the matter revealed that I was being unrealistic. But it was well worth it. The Silverado is a not-so-long gun you can stick in a backpack, wrap in a waterproof bag for a canoe trip, or stow behind the seat of a light aircraft. I got one off a fellow forumite in 20 gauge, with hammers, and 26" barrels, Mod and Imp Cyl, IIRC. It's based on a proven inertia-driven platform. pic.twitter.com/w4m2jS4gfJ. 3. It is made at the Zhongzhou Machine Works in mainland China. The Stoeger Coach Side-by-Side Shotgun is designed with classic style and the spirit of the Old West. Just PRIOR TO YOURS. Big 5 in northern CA has them on sale now for $389 until 09/21/2013. Not seamless but pretty fair, certainly mass produced factory close. Get the stainless firing pins (and the tool) from longhunter. I think it is an excellent value for the money. Very nice. Everyone told me that the first thing I needed to do to the gun was shorten the impeller so that it would not engage the safety when I broke it open. After asking around, the biggest complaint I heard about the Coach was its out-of-box issues handling cold weather. To get side-by-side guns, shotguns or rifles regulated to shoot to exactly the same point of aim requires a lot of tedious hand-fitting and workwhich is why double-barrel guns that perform that way usually cost more than my pickup truck. Fast? Stoeger, although still relatively unknown, manufactures some of the best budget shotguns on the market, and their line of Coach Guns is something you really gotta check out. I originally took off just enough material to remove the sharp edges of the chamber, which were catching the plastic of the shotshells as I tried to insert them. This is not a recommendation, but it seems like you could use a 7/8 Flex-Hone to slick up the chambers evenly and quickly. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a73fba975c4e1294af929a4bc20a5919" );document.getElementById("b41c6d486d").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); As part of the multinational firearms conglomerate, The Maryland-based weapons manufacturer specializes in traditionally-build shotguns with up-to-date aesthetics and operation. Its easy to load and shoot and would be a good first shotgun for someone who doesnt know much about loading and operating a pump or semi-auto. Add to My Saved Parts. 20,985. This is a high-class place so act respectable. Handguns require more practice and familiarity than owning a simple break open hammerless double-barrel shotgun ,and in some jurisdictions (New Jersey for instance) are less regulated and restricted than owning a handgun. by Buck Elliott Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:03 pm, Post I was just in a Sportsmans Wearhouse Store yesterday, and they had 4 on their shelf. I know stoeger makes all right shotguns, but I've never heard of Century International Arms (I'm not a huge gun guy). AFTER THE VIDEO, there is a seperate SET OF INSTRUCTIONS $779.00 $699.99. Most of the newer guns will need their cocking rods shortened to let the barrels hang open to where the shells will clear the standing breach. Youll need to grind it to fit the outside profile of your stock. If you can afford it ($600), you cant go wrong with the legendary Leupold and their, For another top-shelf optic, Im a big fan of, As impressive as Leupold and EOTech are, I cant help but love Bushnell; the established American sporting goods company produces some of the best and affordable sights in the industry. The handsome and affordable single- and double-trigger scatterguns pack a potent punch. But sadly, we live in an imperfect world and the Stoeger M3000 . There are three primary shotguns used in cowboy action shooting: the Model 1897 with a 20-inch barrel, the Model 1887 lever action shotgun, or a side-by-side coach gun. Unfortunately, this is one of the few models which doesnt feature Benellis signature Inertia Driven Bolt System, which efficiently sheds weight, boosts reliability, and adds simplicity to a firearm. True competition rigs, which have lightened hammers with a different style tang and a trigger polish, and short stroke actions for lever guns, are best performed by a professional. Whats a tactical shotgun without accessories? Shop our curated. There are more accurate guns. Barrels fall open from their own weight, at the touch of the toplever.. Mine had a little too much wood where it joins the action so I had to relieve it. Simultaneously, this affiliation has enabled Stoeger to thrive by providing them with state-of-the-art technology, better business management, and improved techniques. 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